Re: [Rd] p.adjust(<NA>s), was "Re: [BioC] limma and p-values"

From: Martin Maechler <maechler_at_stat.math.ethz.ch>
Date: Tue 18 Jan 2005 - 22:53:30 EST

>>>>> "MM" == Martin Maechler <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch>
>>>>> on Mon, 17 Jan 2005 22:02:39 +0100 writes:

 >>>>> "GS" == Gordon Smyth <smyth@wehi.edu.au>  >>>>> on Sun, 16 Jan 2005 19:55:35 +1100 writes:  

  <..............>

     GS> 7. The 'n' argument is removed. Setting this argument
     GS> for any methods other than "none" or "bonferroni" make
     GS> the p-values indeterminate, and the argument seems to be
     GS> seldom used.
     GS>  (It isn't used in the R default distribution.) 

that's only any indication it *might* be seldom used... we really have to *know*, because not allowing it anymore will break all code calling p.adjust(p, meth, n = *)

     GS> I think trying to combine this argument with NAs would get you
     GS> into lots of hot water. For example, what does
     GS> p.adjust(c(NA,NA,0.05),n=2) mean?  Which 2 values
     GS> should be adjusted?

The case where n < length(p) should simply give an error which should bring you into cool water...

    MM> I agree that I don't see a good reason to allow specifying 'n'
    MM> as argument unless e.g. for "bonferroni".
    MM> What do other think ?

no reaction yet.

I've thought a bit more in the mean time: Assume someone has 100000 P values and knows that he only want to adjust the smallest ones.
Then, only passing the ones to adjust and setting 'n = 100000' can be useful and will certainly work for "bonferroni" but I think it can't work in general for any other method.

In sum, I still tend to agree that the argument 'n' should be dropped -- but maybe with "deprecation" -- i.e. still allow it for 2.1.x giving a deprecation warning.

Martin



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