Re: [Rd] options("quit.with.no.save"), and Windows installer changes

From: Uwe Ligges <ligges_at_statistik.uni-dortmund.de>
Date: Tue 04 Jul 2006 - 15:57:02 GMT

Martin Maechler wrote:

>>>>>> "Duncan" == Duncan Murdoch <murdoch@stats.uwo.ca>
>>>>>>     on Tue, 04 Jul 2006 08:32:08 -0400 writes:

>
> Duncan> I've just committed a couple of changes to R-devel related to requests
> Duncan> at userR about the Windows installer. The first of these affects all
> Duncan> platforms, but I've only tested it on Windows:
>
> Duncan> I added an option "quit.with.no.save". If TRUE,
> Duncan> then the default q("ask") prompt will not offer to
> Duncan> save the workspace. This is in response to the
> Duncan> observation that new users who are instructed not to
> Duncan> save their workspace, get confused when they
> Duncan> accidentally answer Yes to the prompt to save it.
>
> Ok... but I probably misunderstand a bit:
>
> The default has not been q(save = "ask") but q(save = "default"),
> and that default has depended on startup.
>
> Even now, "R --no-save" already did have the desired effect,
> on Unix at least. For my ESS setup, I have made this an automatic
> default many months ago.
>
> Wouldn't it be easier and sufficient to make "--no-save" a
> working option on all platforms ?
> Or is the point really about changing the quitting dialog?
> For me quitting *without* a dialog is the most important thing
> which I use (often several times a day).
>
> Duncan> I'm not sure about the wording of the user prompt
> Duncan> question, which is now "Quit and discard
> Duncan> workspace?". The problem with this wording is that
> Duncan> someone who automatically hits "y" will lose their
> Duncan> work. I've tried on Windows to make the dialog box
> Duncan> look different enough that they should be warned.
>
> good!
>
> Duncan> I haven't made any change to the Mac GUI to support this. On
> Duncan> Unix-alikes, the text prompt should respect this option.
>
> Duncan> The other change is to the Windows installer, to
> Duncan> allow the user to choose whether to set
> Duncan> quit.with.no.save, MDI/SDI display, and help style
> Duncan> at install time. The only (intentional) change to
> Duncan> the current behaviour is to default to CHM help
> Duncan> instead of plain text.
>
> People have asked me in private about this, and I didn't know
> the answer:
> Is it true that this means that people can no longer commit the
> "cheap package install trick" on Windows for R-code-only
> packages?
> Namely
> 1) install a source package on a Linux/Unix/MacOSX machine
> (where it is often simple to have all the necessary tools available)
> 2) zip the resulting installed package
> 3) unzip it on the target Windows machine into the corresponding
> library (directory).
>
> Of course, this trick will not provide any *.chm help files.
> Will the cheap-installed package still work, using the *.txt (or
> *.html) help files?

Well, the user has to ask

    help(topic, chmhelp = FALSE)
in this case, or (s)he get the message:

              No CHM help for 'foo' in package 'pkg' is available:
      the CHM file for the package is missing

Perhaps it is possible to arrange some fallback to plain text help if chmhelp is not available: in print.help_files_with_topic call print() on the "help_files_with_topic" object again, but change attribute "type" to "help" before that call ...

Uwe Ligges

> Duncan> These changes will show up in builds based on
> Duncan> revision 38480 or later.
>
> Duncan> Duncan Murdoch
>
> Thanks a lot, Duncan!
>
>
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