Re: [Rd] improved pairs.formula?

From: Berwin A Turlach <berwin_at_maths.uwa.edu.au>
Date: Tue 29 Mar 2005 - 09:04:06 GMT

Dear Brian,

>>>>> "BDR" == Prof Brian Ripley <ripley@stats.ox.ac.uk> writes:

    [...]
    BDR> Still not a description, just two examples. O.k., I believe that I slowly understand want you want. So in my book a description of "the job" would be: "that it is allowed to use '.' and '-' in the formula given to pairs thus allowing pairs.formula".

    BDR> Since later on you took a description to be an example, I see     BDR> the confusion.
Just to avoid future confusion, so how does one distinguish a description from an example, especially if the description is after the phrase "such as"

    BDR> and why you chose such an unusual piece of code to do it?
>> Mmh, I don't think of it as being so unusual, most of it was
>> gleaned from other R function. Well, I realise that R
>> programing paradigms change over the years, so I must have
>> gotten them from quite old routine.
    BDR> I guess you got it from an S not R function. Quite possible. Sorry, I can't check since I never had access to S.

    BDR> (E.g. what is the prescription for the ordering of terms, and
    BDR> why do you think the rownames of the factors and the
    BDR> variables might be in different orders?  They are set the
    BDR> same in the C code.)

>> In case that a user foolishly specifies a more complicated
>> formula having not read the help pages. It seemed to me that
>> this was the only construct to figure out which variables are
>> actually appearing in terms of the formula.
    BDR> Really?  Please check what I wrote: `variables' and `rownames
    BDR> of the factors' are always the same, apart from the response.
    BDR> Please show an example where you got something different.
Sorry, seems to be some misunderstanding here. With 'variables' you mean the "variables" attribute of the object extracted by "mt <- attr(mf, "terms")" in my code? It is well possible that this is always in the same order as the rownames of the factors but I didn't find that in the documentation and I didn't study the C code to write this function. But I take your word for it and in this case I can see how the code could be simplified. Shall I submit a revised version or not bother?

    BDR> There are several places where only the allowed form of     BDR> formulae is specified in this way. In this case, may I request that this places are better marked than they are at the moment?

    BDR> You are not allowed interactions, for example, and it refers     BDR> to `each term'.
Indeed, it states "Each term will give a separate variable in the pairs plot, so terms should be numeric vectors". So some users might be surprise that the following works:

> dat <- data.frame(x=rnorm(30), y=rnorm(30), f=rep(c("A","B", "C"), 10)) > pairs(~x+y+f, dat)

Who, but the most arduous student of R help page language would have thought that dat$f is a numeric vector? :-))

    BDR> `.' is not documented to work (and used not to). So the question is whether it should remain this way or not. But that is for the R core team to decide and I shall stop my contributions to this thread now.

Cheers,

        Berwin


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