# Re: [R] ordinal variables

From: Iasonas Lamprianou <lamprianou_at_yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:51:42 -0700 (PDT)

Thank you Joris,
I'll have a look into the commands you sent me. They look convincing. I hope my students will also see them in a positive way (although I can force them to pretend that they have a positive attitude)!

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• On Thu, 3/6/10, Joris Meys <jorismeys_at_gmail.com> wrote:

From: Joris Meys <jorismeys_at_gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [R] ordinal variables
To: "Iasonas Lamprianou" <lamprianou_at_yahoo.com> Cc: r-help_at_r-project.org
Date: Thursday, 3 June, 2010, 14:35

see ?factor and ?as.factor. On ordered factors you can technically do a spearman without problem, apart from the fact that a spearman test by definition cannot give exact p-values with ties present.

x <- sample(c("a","b","c","d","e"),100,replace=T)

y <- sample(c("a","b","c","d","e"),100,replace=T)

x.ordered <- factor(x,levels=c("e","b","a","d","c"),ordered=T)

```x.ordered
y.ordered <- factor(y,levels=c("e","b","a","d","c"),ordered=T)
y.ordered

```

cor.test(x.ordered,y.ordered,method="spearman")

require(pspearman)

spearman.test(x.ordered,y.ordered)

R commander has some menu options to deal with factors. R commander also provides a scripting window. Please do your students a favor, and show them how to use those commands.

Cheers
Joris

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Iasonas Lamprianou <lamprianou_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear colleagues,

I teach statistics using SPSS. I want to use R instead. I hit on one problem and I need some quick advice. When I want to work with ordinal variables, in SPSS I can compute the median or create a barchart or compute a spearman correlation with no problems. In R, if I "read" the ordinal variable as numeric, then I cannot do a barplot because I miss the category names. If I read the variables as characters, then I cannot run a spearman. How can I read a variable as numeric, still have the chance to assign value labels, and be able to get table of frequencies etc? I want to be able to do all these things in R commander. My students will probable be scared away if I try anything else other than R commander (just writing commands will not make them happy).

I hope I am not asking for too much. Hopefully there is a way

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