From: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) <muenchen_at_utk.edu>

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:36 -0400

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:36 -0400

Interesting! I had no idea there were R-help lists in other languages. I don't see it on http://www.r-project.org/mail.html, but then that's in English! Is there a list of such sites?

Thanks,

Bob

*>-----Original Message-----
**>From: Kjetil Halvorsen [mailto:kjetilbrinchmannhalvorsen_at_gmail.com]
**>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:12 AM
**>To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
**>Cc: ted.harding_at_manchester.ac.uk; r-help_at_r-project.org
**>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
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>One should also take into account the other R list. For example, as of

*>today the number of subscribers to
**>R-help-es (R-help for spanish speakers) is 290, increasing.
**>
**>Kjetil Halvorsen
**>
**>On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
**><muenchen_at_utk.edu> wrote:
**>>
**>>
**>>>-----Original Message-----
**>>>From: r-help-bounces_at_r-project.org
**>> [mailto:r-help-bounces_at_r-project.org]
**>>>On Behalf Of Ted Harding
**>>>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:42 PM
**>>>To: r-help_at_r-project.org
**>>>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
**>>>
**>>>
**>>>I've given thought in the past to the question of estimating the R
**>>>user base, and came to the conclusion that it is impossible to get
**>>>an estimate of the number of users that one could trust (or even
**>>>put anything like a margin of error to).
**>>>
**>>>I think one could get a number which represented a moderately
**>>>informative lower bound -- just count the number of different email
**>>>addresses that have ever posted to the R-help list. This will of
**>>>course include people who post (or have posted) from more than one
**>>>email address, and people who tried R for a while and then dropped
**>>>it, but my feeling is that these are likely to be outweighed by the
**>>>number of people who have used R but have never posted (for example
**>>>students who are getting their R help from their instructors, people
**>>>using R in a corporate context who are discouraged from posting to
**>>>public lists, etc.).
**>>
**>> Ted, that's a very interesting suggestion. Do you know of a practical
**>> way of getting that count?
**>>
**>>>
**>>>The number of subscribers to R-help (currently about 10200) is
**>>>a definite lower bound for the number of R users, but many users
**>>>post to R-help without being subscribed.
**>>
**>> 10,200 is quite an amazing number! Here are the number of subscribers
**>> to:
**>>
**>> SAS-L Â Â 3,251
**>> SPSSX-L Â 2,103
**>> Statlist 1,847
**>> S-PLUS - havn't figured out how to get this yet
**>>
**>> How did you get the R-help figure?
**>>
**>>>
**>>>I would expect that the total number of different email addresses
**>>>that have posted to R-help would be considerably larger than 10200.
**>>>
**>>>I don't think a "Mark-Recapture" approach is feasible.
**>>>
**>>>Further, I don't know how one might take account of the fact that
**>>>some installations of R (e.g. on a corporate or institutional
**>>>or departmental server) may each be used by several users.
**>>
**>> The server question in particular intrigues me. Research organizations
**>> are stuffed with high performance clusters. The cost of all the
**>> commercial packages is just incredible. Even at the heavily discounted
**>> rate academia gets, they're still unaffordable. However, if queried
**>we'd
**>> find the commercial packages on them, but limited to 4 out of 2,500
**>> nodes! You might see the reverse in industry, with one mainframe copy
**>of
**>> SAS serving hundreds of users.
**>>
**>> Cheers,
**>> Bob
**>>
**>>>
**>>>Ted.
**>>>
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**>>>Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861
**>>>Date: 20-Jun-10 Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Time: 20:41:43
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