Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...

From: Kjetil Halvorsen <>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:38:05 -0400

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) <> wrote:
> Interesting! I had no idea there were R-help lists in other languages. I don't see it on, but then that's in English! Is there a list of such sites?

It is listed here:


> Thanks,
> Bob
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Kjetil Halvorsen []
>>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 9:12 AM
>>To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>>One should also take into account the other R list. For example, as of
>>today the number of subscribers to
>>R-help-es (R-help for spanish speakers) is 290, increasing.
>>Kjetil Halvorsen
>>On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)
>><> wrote:
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>> []
>>>>On Behalf Of Ted Harding
>>>>Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:42 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [R] Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata...
>>>>I've given thought in the past to the question of estimating the R
>>>>user base, and came to the conclusion that it is impossible to get
>>>>an estimate of the number of users that one could trust (or even
>>>>put anything like a margin of error to).
>>>>I think one could get a number which represented a moderately
>>>>informative lower bound -- just count the number of different email
>>>>addresses that have ever posted to the R-help list. This will of
>>>>course include people who post (or have posted) from more than one
>>>>email address, and people who tried R for a while and then dropped
>>>>it, but my feeling is that these are likely to be outweighed by the
>>>>number of people who have used R but have never posted (for example
>>>>students who are getting their R help from their instructors, people
>>>>using R in a corporate context who are discouraged from posting to
>>>>public lists, etc.).
>>> Ted, that's a very interesting suggestion. Do you know of a practical
>>> way of getting that count?
>>>>The number of subscribers to R-help (currently about 10200) is
>>>>a definite lower bound for the number of R users, but many users
>>>>post to R-help without being subscribed.
>>> 10,200 is quite an amazing number! Here are the number of subscribers
>>> to:
>>> SAS-L    3,251
>>> SPSSX-L  2,103
>>> Statlist 1,847
>>> S-PLUS - havn't figured out how to get this yet
>>> How did you get the R-help figure?
>>>>I would expect that the total number of different email addresses
>>>>that have posted to R-help would be considerably larger than 10200.
>>>>I don't think a "Mark-Recapture" approach is feasible.
>>>>Further, I don't know how one might take account of the fact that
>>>>some installations of R (e.g. on a corporate or institutional
>>>>or departmental server) may each be used by several users.
>>> The server question in particular intrigues me. Research organizations
>>> are stuffed with high performance clusters. The cost of all the
>>> commercial packages is just incredible. Even at the heavily discounted
>>> rate academia gets, they're still unaffordable. However, if queried
>>> find the commercial packages on them, but limited to 4 out of 2,500
>>> nodes! You might see the reverse in industry, with one mainframe copy
>>> SAS serving hundreds of users.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Bob
>>>>E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <>
>>>>Fax-to-email: +44 (0)870 094 0861
>>>>Date: 20-Jun-10                                       Time: 20:41:43
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>>>>and provide commented, minimal, self-contained, reproducible code.
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