Re: [R] betareg help

From: Achim Zeileis <Achim.Zeileis_at_uibk.ac.at>
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:28:05 +0100

Ben,

thanks for your analysis...I also just sent a message with some similar (and some different) ideas.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011, Ben Bolker wrote:

> The problem seems to be that the algorithm for coming up with a
> starting guess for the phi (dispersion) parameter is getting a negative
> number.

Yes, as I had written earlier today for the regression on an intercept only.

> It's not all that easy to figure this out ...

Indeed. I've already added a better warning and an ad hoc workaround to the devel version of betareg.

thx,
Z

> The data set is a
> little bit nasty (lots of points stacked on the equivalent of (0,0)),
> but not pathological.
> I'm cc'ing the maintainer of the package --
>
> adding the lines
>
> if (sum(phi_y)<0) {
> stop("bad estimated start value for phi: consider setting start
> values manually\n",
> "(see ?betareg.control)\n",
> "Estimated starting values for
> mean:\n",paste(beta,collapse=","))
> }
>
> at line 162 of betareg.R in the current CRAN version provides
> a more informative error message in this case.
>
> See below for solutions.
> =============
>
>
> results <- read.csv2("betareg_tmp.csv")
> results$drugcat <- cut(results$drug,c(0,0.005,0.06,0.17))
> table(results$drug)
> table(results$alcoh)
> table(results$cond)
> ## shows that fairly large fractions of the data are
> ## in the lowest category:
> ## 165/209=0.001 'drug'
> ## 54/209=0.001 'alcoh'
> ## 38/209=0.001 'cond'
> ## so this will be a fairly challenging problem in any case
>
> library(ggplot2)
>
> ggplot(results,aes(x=alcoh,y=cond))+stat_sum(aes(size=..n..),alpha=0.7)+
> facet_wrap(~drugcat)+theme_bw()
>
>
> library(betareg)
> ## set phi link to logarithmic
> ## basic problem (digging through betareg.fit etc.) is
> ## that initial estimate of phi, based on
> ## linear model of logit(cond) ~ alcoh + cond, is NEGATIVE ...
> ## doesn't seem to be any way to override this starting value
> ## brute force
>
> try(gyl<-betareg(cond ~ alcoh + drug, data=results,
> link.phi="log"))
>
> ## pick through, debugging ... find starting values used
>
> svec <- c(-1.6299469,0.8048446,1.7071124,0)
> gyl<-betareg(cond ~ alcoh + drug, data=results,
> link.phi="log",
> control=betareg.control(start=svec))
>
> ## would work fine with more generic starting values
>
> svec2 <- c(qlogis(mean(results$cond)),0,0,0)
> gyl2<-betareg(cond ~ alcoh + drug, data=results,
> link.phi="log",
> control=betareg.control(start=svec2))
>
> ## before I got that to work, I also tried this (which
> ## will be slower and less efficient but is a useful
> ## alternative
>
> library(bbmle)
>
> ## define a variant parameterization of the beta distribution with
> ## m=a/(a+b), phi=(a+b)
> dbeta2 <- function(x,m,phi,log=FALSE) {
>
> a <- m*phi
> b <- phi*(1-m)
> dbeta(x,shape1=a,shape2=b,log=log)
> }
>
> m1 <- mle2(cond~dbeta2(m=plogis(mu),phi=exp(logphi)),
> parameters=list(mu~alcoh+drug),
> data=results,
> start=list(mu=qlogis(mean(results$cond)),logphi=0))
> summary(m1)
> p1 <- profile(m1)
> plot(p1,show.points=TRUE)
> confint(p1)
> confint(m1,method="quad") ## not much difference
>
> coef(m1)
> coef(gyl)
>
> On 11-03-13 12:59 PM, Vlatka Matkovic Puljic wrote:
>> Sorry, here is my data (attached).
>>
>> 2011/3/12 Ben Bolker <bbolker_at_gmail.com <mailto:bbolker_at_gmail.com>>
>>
>> Vlatka Matkovic Puljic <v.matkovic.puljic <at> gmail.com
>> <http://gmail.com>> writes:
>>
>> >
>> > That was also my first thought.
>> > But I guess it has something to do with W and phihat
>> > (which I'm struggling to check
>>
>> Again, it would help to post a reproducible example ...
>> hard to debug/diagnose by remote control. If you can't
>> possibly post the data to the list, or put them on a web
>> site somewhere, or randomize them a bit so you're not
>> giving anything away, or find a simulated example that
>> shows the same problem, you could as a last resort send them
>> to me.
>>
>> Ben Bolker
>>
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>
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