Re: [Rd] Implicit vs explicit printing and the call stack

From: hadley wickham <>
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:57:21 +0200

> First, it was not clear that you are talking about the output of
> traceback(), which is _a representation of_ the call stack and depends on
> the details of deparsing.

Given that there is a substantial delay in one case, and not in the other, I had assumed (perhaps falsely) that there was something more fundamental going on that simply the representation of the call stack by traceback. Perhaps I should have been more clear that the output of traceback was a symptom of the problem, not what I was really interested in.

> Second, the difference is I believe not implicit vs explicit printing, but
> of printing an evaluated object vs printing a call. What your subject
> line would correspond to is
> x <- ggplot(mtcars, aes(x = cyl, y = -mpg)) + scale_y_log10() + geom_point()
> x vs print(x)
> I can't demonstrate (what is aes?), but I expect that would show minimal
> differences.

I don't think that is the case. Using Gabor's reproducible example:


x <- xyplot(conc ~ uptake, CO2, xlim = Inf) x

shows the same differences that I reported.

> The issue seems to be whether arguments have been evaluated, and if so
> whether they were promises. Promises can be deparsed back to the symbolic
> representation rather than to their value. When you call print explicitly
> _on the ggplot call_, you have promises to arguments (to support lazy
> evaluation). As far as I know (this is a detail of your code), the object
> ggplot returns has evaluated 'mtcars' and contains the value and not the
> promise, hence the difference in the deparsing of the call stack.

I'm not sure I completely follow, and I don't think your reasoning holds given the example above. Please correct me if I am wrong. My code for ggplot.print follows if that helps.

print.ggplot <- function(x, newpage = is.null(vp), vp = NULL, ...) {

	if (newpage) grid.newpage()
	if (is.null(vp)) {
		grid.draw(ggplot_plot(x, ...))
	} else {
		grid.draw(ggplot_plot(x, ...))


> You chose to call traceback() without 'max.lines', and the answer would
> seem to be
> 1) don't use a buggy print method,
> 2) if you have to (to fix it), use 'max.lines' or do this in two steps.
> If you want your end users to see a nicer representation, reconsider what
> you actually return in your object.

I don't really care about the representation in the call stack (although it is a pain when debugging, even though max.lines helps), the main problem is the 4-5 second delay after an error before control returns to the user. This does not occur with an explicit print.

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