Re: [R] help: advice on the structuring of ReML models foranalysing growth curves

From: Berton Gunter <>
Date: Tue 05 Sep 2006 - 16:14:20 GMT

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> [] On Behalf Of Andrew Robinson
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> To: Simon Pickett
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> Subject: Re: [R] help: advice on the structuring of ReML
> models foranalysing growth curves
> Hi Simon,
> overall I think that lmer is a good tool for this problem. It's
> impossible to reply definitively without the full details on the
> experimental design.
> Caveat in place, I have questions and some suggestions. Are
> treatment1 and treatment2 distinct factors, or two levels of a
> treatment, the dietary compound? Also, what is broodsize?
> If you want to nest chick id within brood, I think that you should
> include the interaction as a random factor. If you'd like the age
> effects to differ between chicks then age should be on the left of id.
> Thus, start with something like ...
> model1 <- lmer(weight ~ treatment + broodsize + sex + age
> + (1|brood) + (age|id:brood), data=H)

FWIW, this model can also be easily fit with the lme() function (in the nlme package) as the random effects are strictly nested. The only advantage in doing so is that the lme tools for examining the model are somewhat more developed and extensive (or am I just more familiar with them?)


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