From: Jenny Stadt <jennystadt_at_yahoo.ca>

Date: Fri 15 Sep 2006 - 20:09:07 GMT

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Date: Fri 15 Sep 2006 - 20:09:07 GMT

I resend this to expect more responses. Thanks!

Inspired by the responses, I tried to do this analytically.

The idea is that truncated mean and standard deviation could be expressed as integral forms. So if given truncated mean, sd and truncated point (mut, sdt, thre), an optim( ) function could be writen to get the parameters. But the problem is, pdf is needed in advance to shape the normal curve. So I think it is possible to do this in an iterative optimization, given assummed initial sigma and mu, if the optimization meets requirements, then the sigma and mu could be considered as the real numbers.

I tried to do these by :

f <- function(x,sigma,mu) (1/(sigma*sqrt(2*pi)))*exp(-(x-mu)^2/(2*sigma^2))
pdf.fun <- function(x) x*f(x);

sd.fun <- function(x) x^2*f(x); #---------- define a few functions
solve.fun <- function(sigma,mu,thre,mut,sdt)
{

(mut-integrate(pdf.fun,thre,upper=Inf)$value/integrate(f,thre,upper=Inf)$value)^2 +(sdt - integrate(sd.fun,thre,upper=Inf)$value/integrate(f,thre,upper=Inf)$value-(integrate(pdf.fun,thre,upper=Inf)$value/integrate(f,thre,upper=Inf)$value)^2)^2
}

I wish this solve.fun ( ) could be minimized and then gives minimum <= 5

for( i in 1:100)

{

mu <- 200;sigma <- 20;

thre <- 160;

mut <- 230; sdt <- 15;

sol.tem <- optimize(solve.fun, lower =0.1,upper =100,tol=0.001);
if (sol.tem$minimum <= 5) return(sol.tem)
}

I know my codes is just awkward, and not really working. But I expect some advice and suggestion about the methods. Am I going in a wrong way since I have been working on it for a long time. Thanks a lot!

Jen

-----Original Message-----

From:Ritwik Sinha , ritwik.sinha@gmail.com
Sent: 2006-09-12, 17:20:04

To:

CC:jennystadt; r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch

Subject: Re: [R] About truncated distribution
However, if you know the point(s) of truncation then you should be able to work your way back. Look for the mean and variance of a truncated normal, it will involve mu, sigma and c (point of truncation). You will need to solve for mu and sigma from two equation. For example look at the wikipedia page on normal distribution, it has the mean of a truncated normal distribution. Many standard statistics books should have the rest of the information.

On 9/12/06, Berton Gunter <gunter.berton@gene.com > wrote:

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> But my question is a bit different. What I know is the mean

*> and sd after truncation. If I assume the distribution is
**> normal, how I am gonna develope the original distribution
**> using this two parameters?
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You can't, as they are plainly not sufficient (you need to know the amount of truncation also). If you have only the mean and sd and neither the actual data nor the truncation point you're through.

- Bert Gunter Genentech

Could anybody give me some advice?

> Thanks in advance!

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