From: justin bem <justin_bem_at_yahoo.fr>

Date: Fri 22 Sep 2006 - 17:46:14 GMT

>>> Recommending a good book on statistics is like

* >>> recommending a good book on sports: Which sports?
*

* >>>
*

* >>> A good book for learning statistical concepts (and
*

* >>> learning R at the same time), one that assumes you
*

* >>> understand algebra but are new to statistics, is Peter
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* >>> Dalgaard's _Introductory Statistics with R_ (Springer
*

* >>> 2002). The writing is relaxed and succinct, not
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* >>> condescending as some texts might appear to a newcomer.
*

* >>> It's just a good book.
*

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Date: Fri 22 Sep 2006 - 17:46:14 GMT

Excuses me Dear Martin,

I have make a mistake when posting my message !

Sincerly !

- Message d'origine ---- De : Martin Maechler <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch> À : justin bem <justin_bem@yahoo.fr> Cc : Martin Maechler <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch> Envoyé le : Vendredi, 22 Septembre 2006, 7h39mn 25s Objet : Re: Re : [R] Statitics Textbook - any recommendation?

>>>>> "justin" == justin bem <justin_bem@yahoo.fr> >>>>> on Thu, 21 Sep 2006 19:00:24 +0000 (GMT) writes:

justin> Why need to learn Statistic in R in the same book ? justin> I think it is not very efficient. you can use a book justin> to learn how to use R in statistic, and you get justin> statistic skills by reading many others books.

Good point.

Why are you sending this only to me rather than back to R-help?

Bonnes salutations de Zurich!

Martin

justin> ----- Message d'origine ---- De : Martin Maechler justin> <maechler@stat.math.ethz.ch> À : Iuri Gavronski justin> <iuri@ufrgs.br>; gavin.simpson@ucl.ac.uk Cc : justin> Charles.Annis@statisticalengineering.com; justin> r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Envoyé le : Jeudi, 21 justin> Septembre 2006, 9h16mn 21s Objet : Re: [R] Statitics justin> Textbook - any recommendation? >>>>> "GS" == Gavin Simpson <gavin.simpson@ucl.ac.uk> >>>>> on Thu, 21 Sep 2006 00:08:17 +0100 writes: GS> On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 18:56 -0400, Charles Annis, GS> P.E. wrote:

>>> Recommending a good book on statistics is like

GS> I couldn't agree more. A number of my colleagues have GS> bought Peter Dalgaard's book to a) learn some R and b) GS> learn some statistics. They have found it very useful GS> indeed. justin> Yes! I'm pretty sure it has been the first book ofjustin> its kind ("Intro Stats + R"), and in my view is justin> still the best.

justin> Martin Maechler, ETH Zurich

>>> Charles Annis, P.E.

* >>>
** >>> Charles.Annis@StatisticalEngineering.com phone:
** >>> 561-352-9699 eFax: 614-455-3265
** >>> http://www.StatisticalEngineering.com
** >>>
** >>>
** >>> -----Original Message----- From:
** >>> r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch
** >>> [mailto:r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of
** >>> Mike Nielsen Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:36 PM
** >>> To: Berton Gunter Cc: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch Subject:
** >>> Re: [R] Statitics Textbook - any recommendation?
** >>>
** >>> Excellent characterization.
** >>>
** >>> MASS is a very good book, but I'm not sure I would
** >>> describe it as a statistics textbook, much less one of
** >>> the "basic" variety. While I certainly wouldn't presume
** >>> to speak for Prof. Ripley and Dr. Venables, it seems
** >>> unlikely their intent in writing MASS was to teach
** >>> statistics, but rather, as the name of the book might
** >>> suggest, to explain how S+ (and R) can be applied to
** >>> modern statistical techniques. My experience with this
** >>> book is that it assumes considerable background
** >>> knowledge.
** >>>
** >>> By all means, buy MASS, but if you need guidance on the
** >>> how and why of statistical techniques, you may wish to
** >>> shop Amazon to find a supplement.
** >>>
** >>> Regards,
** >>>
** >>> Mike
** >>>
** >>> On 9/20/06, Berton Gunter <gunter.berton@gene.com>
** >>> wrote: > Not withstanding Prof. Heiberger's admirable
** >>> enthusiasm, I think the > canonical answer is probably
** >>> MASS (Modern Applied Statistics with S) by > Venables
** >>> and Ripley. It is very comprehensive, but depending on
** >>> your > background, you may find it too telegraphic.
** >>> >
** >>> > -- Bert Gunter > Genentech Non-Clinical Statistics >
** >>> South San Francisco, CA
** >>> >
** >>> > "The business of the statistician is to catalyze the
** >>> scientific learning > process." - George E. P. Box
** >>> >
** >>> >
** >>> >
** >>> > > -----Original Message----- > > From:
** >>> r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch > >
** >>> [mailto:r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of
** >>> Iuri Gavronski > > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006
** >>> 1:22 PM > > To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch > > Subject:
** >>> [R] Statitics Textbook - any recommendation?
** >>> > >
** >>> > > I would like to buy a basic statistics book
** >>> (experimental design, > > sampling, ANOVA, regression,
** >>> etc.) with examples in R. Or > > download it > > in PDF
** >>> or html format. > > I went to the CRAN contributed
** >>> documentation, but there were only R > > textbooks, that
** >>> is, textbooks where R is the focus, not the > >
** >>> statistics. And I would like to find the opposite. > >
** >>> Other text I am trying to find is multivariate data
** >>> analysis (EFA, > > cluster, mult regression, MANOVA,
** >>> etc.) with examples with R. > > Any recommendation?
** >>> > >
** >>> > > Thank you in advance,
** >>> > >
** >>> > > Iuri.
** >>> > >
** >>> > > ______________________________________________ > >
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