From: Prof Brian Ripley <ripley_at_stats.ox.ac.uk>

Date: Wed 31 Jan 2007 - 07:56:34 GMT

Date: Wed 31 Jan 2007 - 07:56:34 GMT

Just to pick up

> Third, the resulting line is not optimal for either predicting y for a

*> new x or x from a new y. It's hard to see why it is ever of much
**> interest.
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It is not a regression (and hence the subject line was misleading), but it does come up in errors-in-variables problems. Suppose you have two sets of measurements of the same quantity with the same variance of measurement error and you want a line calibrating set 2 to set 1. Then the optimal (in the sense of MLE, for example) line is this one, and it is symmetrical in the two sets.

Now those are rather specific assumptions but they do come up in some problems in physics and analytical chemistry, and the result goes back to the 19th century. In the 1980s I implemented a version which allowed for unequal (but known) heteroskedastic error variances which is quite popular in analytical chemistry.

The literature is patchy: Fuller's `Measurement Error Models' covers the general area, and I recall this being in Sprent's (1969) book `Models in Regression and Related Topics'.

See also the thread starting at

http://tolstoy.newcastle.edu.au/R/help/00a/0285.html

almost 7 years ago. If that is the thread Jonathon Kopecky refers to (how are we to know?) then he is misquoting me: I said it was the same thing as using the first principal component, not an alternative proposal.

On Wed, 31 Jan 2007, Bill.Venables@csiro.au wrote:

*> Jonathon Kopecky asks:
**>
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> -----Original Message-----

*> From: r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch
**> [mailto:r-help-bounces@stat.math.ethz.ch] On Behalf Of Jonathon Kopecky
**> Sent: Tuesday, 30 January 2007 5:52 AM
**> To: r-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
**> Subject: [R] Need to fit a regression line using orthogonal residuals
**>
**> I'm trying to fit a simple linear regression of just Y ~ X, but both X
**> and Y are noisy. Thus instead of fitting a standard linear model
**> minimizing vertical residuals, I would like to minimize
**> orthogonal/perpendicular residuals. I have tried searching the
**> R-packages, but have not found anything that seems suitable. I'm not
**> sure what these types of residuals are typically called (they seem to
**> have many different names), so that may be my trouble. I do not want to
**> use Principal Components Analysis (as was answered to a previous
**> questioner a few years ago), I just want to minimize the combined noise
**> of my two variables. Is there a way for me to do this in R?
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> [WNV] There's always a way if you are prepared to program it. Your

*> question is a bit like asking "Is there a way to do this in Fortran?"
**> The most direct way to do it is to define a function that gives you the
**> sum of the perpendicular distances and minimise it using, say, optim().
**> E.g.
**> ppdis <- function(b, x, y) sum((y - b[1] - b[2]*x)^2/(1+b[2]^2))
**> b0 <- lsfit(x, y)$coef # initial value
**> op <- optim(b0, ppdis, method = "BFGS", x=x, y=y)
**> op # now to check the results
**> plot(x, y, asp = 1) # why 'asp = 1'?? exercise
**> abline(b0, col = "red")
**> abline(op$par, col = "blue")
**> There are a couple of things about this you should be aware of, though
**> First, this is just a fiddly way of finding the first principal
**> component, so your desire not to use Principal Component Analysis is
**> somewhat thwarted, as it must be.
**> Second, the result is sensitive to scale - if you change the scales of
**> either x or y, e.g. from lbs to kilograms, the answer is different.
**> This also means that unless your measurement units for x and y are
**> comparable it's hard to see how the result can make much sense. A
**> related issue is that you have to take some care when plotting the
**> result or orthogonal distances will not appear to be orthogonal.
**> Third, the resulting line is not optimal for either predicting y for a
**> new x or x from a new y. It's hard to see why it is ever of much
**> interest.
**> Bill Venables.
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