Re: [R] lme nesting/interaction advice

From: Federico Calboli <>
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:33:43 +0100

On 12 May 2008, at 11:16, Andrew Robinson wrote:
> Well. I have documentation relevant to nlme that goes back about 10
> years. I don't know when it was first added to S-plus, but I assume
> that it was about then. Now, do you think that if the thing that you
> want to do was really bog standard, that noone would have raised a
> fuss or solved it within 10 years?

I'm pretty unpleasant, more so in person, so I'll tell you this. If people raised the issue and got the answer I got, I would not be surprised if they'd migrated to 'any other stats software' in droves. I have no doubt that, given the cryptic and sparse nature of the documentation of the issue, most people migrated well before asking -- on the grounds most people have a job to do, papers to publish, grants to write, kids to pick up from school and pretty little time for RTFM and all that sanctimonious attitude.

Once people stop nagging about 'whatever', the reason is because they finally got the message things ain't gonna improve, so cut your losses and look elsewhere.

Being unpleasant, thick skinned and cheap I will keep nagging and use R (the fact I do like it very much might be a factor). But given the selection users go through, it will be Vogon time sooner or later ;).


Federico C. F. Calboli
Department of Epidemiology and Public Health
Imperial College, St. Mary's Campus
Norfolk Place, London W2 1PG

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