Re: [R] I never made any assumption athat anyone had any obligation to do anything

From: James MacDonald <>
Date: Sat 28 May 2005 - 10:09:26 EST

To add to Spencer's reply, I have two things.

First, if you look back at your earlier list entries, Uwe asked you politely at least twice to read the posting guide. The reason for this is that the posting guide gives guidance to allow you to post questions that are clear enough to answer, and points you to other sources of information that you might not already know about. It was only after you appeared to ignore his advice that he 'yelled' at you.

Second, you ultimately learned several things. As far as I can tell, Uwe did answer your questions, but more importantly, you learned how to interact on a list where you get free advice on how to use free software (the operative term here being *free*). Isn't that better than being ignored and not learning anything?



James W. MacDonald
Affymetrix and cDNA Microarray Core
University of Michigan Cancer Center
1500 E. Medical Center Drive
7410 CCGC
Ann Arbor MI 48109
>>> Spencer Graves <> 05/27/05 5:34 PM >>> Hello, Erithid:

          I'm very sorry you feel you got yelled at first thing in the morning.
  Please try not to take it personally, though I know that may be difficult. After one superficially insulting reply, I just laughed and told my manager, "Look what I learned for exposing myself to ridicule!"

          My philosophy on this was expressed last December and subsequently
added to the "fortunes" pacakage, from which I will quote for you now:

 > library(fortunes)
 > fortune("Graves")

Our great-great grandchilren as yet unborn may read some of the stupid questions
and/or answers that I and perhaps others give from time to time. I'd rather get
flamed for saying something stupid in public on this list than to continue to
provide substandard service to the people with whom I work because I perpetrated
the same mistake in an environment in which no one questioned so effectively my

          I've heard from some of the best on this listserve that it happens to
everyone. That doesn't make it right. If you can learn to accept this as a different subculture operating by different rules of diplomacy, you

might get more out of this list, do better work with whatever you are attempting to do, and enjoy life more. (My wife's middle name is Rose.   When she gives me a hard time about something, I just try to listen and console myself with the thought that, "If I want to sleep in a bed of roses, I must get used to the thorns.")

	  Best Wishes,
	  spencer graves

BJ wrote:

> I just asked a question. If I was too vague, then i am sorry. I dont
> expect anyone to help me, but I thought that it was ok to put the
> question out there in case someone wanted to help me. I didnt expect
> abject hostility for it. Human decency was the only thing I did
> If my question was a pain,badly formatted, or too juvinile, then i
> no problem being ignored.I asked a question that the archives did not
> satisfactorily answer. I appreciate the help of the poeple on this
> as they are an invaluable resource, especially since the R
> is sketchy at times. I am sorry for wasting everyones time. I just
> like being yelled at first thing in the morning for asking for help on
> help list. See you all around ~Erithid
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