Re: [R] anova on binomial LMER objects

From: Prof Brian Ripley <ripley_at_stats.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Wed 28 Sep 2005 - 22:02:19 EST

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005, Robert Bagchi wrote:

> Hi Patrick
>
> thanks for your advice. I have now tried glmmPQL, and it worked fine -
> I'm getting consistent results between plots and models fitted by
> glmmPQL. Plus it allows predict() and resid() which is another advantage
> over lmer at present.
>
> quick question though: why does one need to use PQL for binomial models?
> Is there a good reference for this?

Yes, the book which glmmPQL supports and the posting quide asks you to consult.

>
> A few of my colleagues have also had similar problems, so I'm copying
> this message on to R-help as it might be useful there.
>
> Many thanks
> Robert
>
> Patrick A. Jansen wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi dr Bacghi,
>>
>> I ran into exactly the same problem with lmer models that had an
>> rbind() response variable, as you posted to the R-list.
>>
>> The sums of squares produced by anova() seem wrong. They are almost
>> identical to the mean squares, and hence F-values approach 1.
>>
>> Since you need PQL for binomial models anyway, you might want to use
>> GlmmPQL instead. Seems to work fine with anova().
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Patrick Jansen
>>
>>
>> *dr Patrick A. Jansen*
>> University of Groningen
>> Community and Conservation Ecology group
>> E P.A.Jansen@.rug.nl
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>> <http://www.rug.nl/fwn/onderzoek/programmas/biologie/cocon>
>>
>> c/o:
>> Instituto Smithsonian de Investigaciones Tropicales
>> Att. Patrick A. Jansen  Gamboa
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>> or:
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>> Att: Patrick A. Jansen  Gamboa
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>>
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>>
>>
>
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