Re: [R] Splitting the list

From: Florence Combes <fcombes_at_gmail.com>
Date: Thu 05 Jan 2006 - 21:00:35 EST

I don't think splitting the list is a good idea, neither according to the level of questions (which will "kill" the "beginners list"), nor according to geographic boundaries.

I totally agree with Heinz Tuechler's position : a (short) code on the sublect of the e-mail seems a good ideau if people feel necessary to organize more this list.

Florence.

On 1/5/06, Heinz Tuechler <tuechler@gmx.at> wrote:
>
> At 11:56 05.01.2006 +1100, John Maindonald wrote:
> >I've changed the heading because this really is another thread. I
> >think it inevitable that there will, in the course of time, be other
> >lists that are devoted, in some shape or form, to the concerns of
> >practitioners (at all levels) who are using R. One development I'd
> >not like to see is fracture along application area lines, allowing
> >those who are comfortable in coteries whose focus was somewhat
> >relevant to standards of use of statistics in that area 15 or 20
> >years ago to continue that way. One of the great things about R, in
> >its development to date, has been its role in exposing people from a
> >variety of application area communities to statistical traditions
> >different from that in which they have been nurtured. I expect it to
> >have a continuing role in raising statistical analysis standards, in
> >"raising the bar".
> >
> >Another possibility is fracture along geographic boundaries. This
> >has both benefits (one being that its is easier within a smaller
> >circle of people who are more likely to know each other for
> >contributors to establish a rapport that will make the list really
> >effective; also there will be notices and discussion that are of
> >local interest) and drawbacks (it risks separating subscribers off
> >from important discussions on the official R lists.) On balance,
> >this may be the better way to go. Indeed subscribers to ANZSTAT
> >(Australian and NZ statistical list) will know that an R-downunder
> >list, hosted at Auckland, is currently in test-drive mode. There
> >should be enough subscribers in common between this and the official
> >R lists that the south-eastern portion of Gondwana does not, at any
> >time in the very near future, float off totally on its own.
> >
> >There are of course other possibilities, and it may be useful to
> >canvass them.

> >
>
> Repeating a comment under the subject "Splitting the list":
> I would considere to use flags at the beginning of the subject line, like
> e.g. "BQ" for basic question. Of course, also geographic boundaries could
> be considered.
> This flags should be defined in the posting guide.
> This way, every reader/expert can decide on a personal level to split the
> list by filtering the messages accordingly.
>
> Heinz Tuechler
>
> >John Maindonald email: john.maindonald@anu.edu.au
> >phone : +61 2 (6125)3473 fax : +61 2(6125)5549
> >Mathematical Sciences Institute, Room 1194,
> >John Dedman Mathematical Sciences Building (Building 27)
> >Australian National University, Canberra ACT 0200.
> >
> >
> >
> >On 4 Jan 2006, at 10:00 PM, r-help-request@stat.math.ethz.ch wrote:
> >
> >> From: Ben Fairbank <BEN@SSANET.COM>
> >> Date: 4 January 2006 4:42:31 AM
> >> To: R-help@stat.math.ethz.ch
> >> Subject: Re: [R] A comment about R:
> >>
> >>
> >> One implicit point in Kjetil's message is the difficulty of learning
> >> enough of R to make its use a natural and desired "first choice
> >> alternative," which I see as the point at which real progress and
> >> learning commence with any new language. I agree that the long
> >> learning
> >> curve is a serious problem, and in the past I have discussed, off
> >> list,
> >> with one of the very senior contributors to this list the
> >> possibility of
> >> splitting the list into sections for newcomers and for advanced users.
> >> He gave some very cogent reasons for not splitting, such as the
> >> possibility of newcomers' getting bad advice from others only slightly
> >> more advanced than themselves. And yet I suspect that a newcomers'
> >> section would encourage the kind of mutually helpful collegiality
> >> among
> >> newcomers that now characterizes the exchanges of the more experienced
> >> users on this list. I know that I have occasionally been reluctant to
> >> post issues that seem too elementary or trivial to vex the others
> >> on the
> >> list with and so have stumbled around for an hour or so seeking the
> >> solution to a simple problem. Had I the counsel of others similarly
> >> situated progress might have been far faster. Have other newcomers or
> >> occasional users had the same experience?
> >>
> >> Is it time to reconsider splitting this list into two sections?
> >> Certainly the volume of traffic could justify it.
> >>
> >> Ben Fairbank
> >
> >
> >
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