From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves_at_pdf.com>

Date: Tue 14 Feb 2006 - 15:01:21 EST

Gregor Gorjanc wrote:

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Date: Tue 14 Feb 2006 - 15:01:21 EST

Will your data support using "lme" in the 'nlme' package? If yes, I suggest you switch. This is consistent with a response given recently by Doug Bates to a crudely related question (http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/68340.html).

You probably know that "lmer" and associated software are Doug Bates'
development platform. There have been recent email exchanges on
problems with weights in "lmer". RSiteSearch("lmer with weights") and
RSiteSearch("weights in lmer") both preduced the same 30 hits. On 31
Jan. 2006, Patrick Connolly reported, "I suspect the weights argument is
not having any effect."

(http://finzi.psych.upenn.edu/R/Rhelp02a/archive/69397.html) I couldn't
find any replies in the R-help archives, but my reply of 3 Feb. is
copied below. If you would like further help from this list, please
submit another question.

hope this helps. spencer graves ############################## I agree: The lmer weights argument seems not to have anyeffect. To check this, I modified the first example in the "lmer" documentation as follows:

Sleep <- sleepstudy

Sleep$wts <- 1:180

(fm1 <- lmer(Reaction ~ Days + (Days|Subject), Sleep))
(fm1w <- lmer(Reaction ~ Days + (Days|Subject),

weights=wts, Sleep)) The numbers from both seemed to be the same. To try to helpdiagnose this, I listed "lmer", and found that it consisted of a call to "standardGeneric". Then 'getMethods("lmer")' listed only one "method" for the case where the argument "formula" had class "formula". I tried to trace this further, e.g., by giving it a different name and using "debug". After being stopped a couple of time by functions hidden in the "Matrix" namespace, I gave up.

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Gregor Gorjanc wrote:

> Hello!

*>
**> I would like to use lmer() to fit data, which are some estimates and
**> their standard errors i.e kind of a "meta" analysis. I wonder if weights
**> argument is the right one to use to include uncertainty (standard
**> errors) of "data" into the model. I would like to use lmer(), since I
**> would like to have a "freedom" in modeling, if this is at all possible.
**>
**> For example we can take schools data by Gelman from R2WinBUGS package.
**> As you can see bellow use of weights argument did not had influence on
**> results.
**>
**> I do not know if my specification of weights i.e. 1 / sd^2 is ok. Under
**> least squares one minimizes sum(e^2_i) or sum(w_i * e^2_i) with weighted
**> LS. If I consider that \sigma_i represents uncertainty in my "data" then
**> e'_i = e_i / \sigma_i and we minimize sum(e'^2_i) = sum((e_i /
**> \sigma_i)^2) = sum(e_i * \sigma^-2_i). Therefore weights i.e. w_i are
**> equal to 1 / \sigma^2_i.
**>
**> Can anyone help me with this issue?
**>
**> Thank you very much!
**>
**> > library("R2WinBUGS")
**> > data(schools)
**> > schools
**> > attach(schools)
**> >
**> > ## Fit simple model without "weights"
**> > lmer(estimate ~ 1 + (1 | school))
**> Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML
**> Formula: estimate ~ 1 + (1 | school)
**> AIC BIC logLik MLdeviance REMLdeviance
**> 58.882 59.041 -27.441 59.278 54.882
**> Random effects:
**> Groups Name Variance Std.Dev.
**> school (Intercept) 80.4 8.97
**> Residual 30.1 5.49
**> # of obs: 8, groups: school, 8
**>
**> Fixed effects:
**> Estimate Std. Error t value
**> (Intercept) 8.82 3.72 2.37
**>
**> > ## Fit simple model with "weights"
**> > lmer(estimate ~ 1 + (1 | school), weights = ~ 1 / (sd^2))
**> Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML
**> Formula: estimate ~ 1 + (1 | school)
**> AIC BIC logLik MLdeviance REMLdeviance
**> 58.882 59.041 -27.441 59.278 54.882
**> Random effects:
**> Groups Name Variance Std.Dev.
**> school (Intercept) 80.4 8.97
**> Residual 30.1 5.49
**> # of obs: 8, groups: school, 8
**>
**> Fixed effects:
**> Estimate Std. Error t value
**> (Intercept) 8.82 3.72 2.37
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