From: Petar Milin <pmilin_at_ff.ns.ac.yu>

Date: Thu 23 Feb 2006 - 21:54:04 EST

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Date: Thu 23 Feb 2006 - 21:54:04 EST

Hello,

I ran two lme analyses and got expected results. However, I saw
something suspicious regarding p-level for fixed effect. Models are the
same, only experimental designs differ and, of course, subjects. I am
aware that I could done nesting Subjects within Experiments, but it is
expected to have much slower RT (reaction time) in the second
experiment, since the task is more complex, so it would not make much
sense. That is why I kept analyses separated:

(A) lme(RT ~ F2 + MI, random =~ 1 | Subject, data = exp1)

**ANOVA:
**

numDF denDF F-value p-value

(Intercept) 1 1379 243012.61 <.0001

F2 1 1379 47.55 <.0001 MI 1 1379 4.69 0.0305 Fixed effects: RT ~ F2 + MI Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value

(Intercept) 6.430962 0.03843484 1379 167.32118 0.0000

F2 -0.028028 0.00445667 1379 -6.28896 0.0000 MI -0.004058 0.00187358 1379 -2.16612 0.0305 ===========================================================

(B) lme(RT ~ F2 + MI, random =~ 1 | Subject, data = exp2)

**ANOVA:
**

numDF denDF F-value p-value

(Intercept) 1 659 150170.71 <.0001

F2 1 659 17.28 <.0001 MI 1 659 13.43 3e-04 Fixed effects: RT ~ F2 + MI Value Std.Error DF t-value p-value

(Intercept) 6.608252 0.05100954 659 129.54935 0.0000

F2 -0.008679 0.00616191 659 -1.40855 0.1594 MI 0.009476 0.00258605 659 3.66420 0.0003

As you can see, in exp1 p-levels for the model and for the fixed effects are the same, as thay should be, as far as I know. Yet, in exp2 there is significant p for F2 in the model, but insignificant regarding F2 as fixed factor. How is it possible? I have ran many linear models and those two values correspond (or are the same). Anyway, how can it be to have insignificant effect that is significant in the model? Some strange property of that factor, like distribution? Multicolinearity? Please, help me on that.

Sincerely,

Petar

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