# Re: [R] lme, best model without convergence

From: Spencer Graves <spencer.graves_at_pdf.com>
Date: Mon 29 May 2006 - 05:47:04 EST

lmeControl package:nlme R Documentation

Control Values for lme Fit

Description:

```      The values supplied in the function call replace the defaults and
a list with all possible arguments is returned. The returned list
is used as the 'control' argument to the 'lme' function.
##################

```

Note the last sentence. Now consider the following example, combining modifications of your example with the example from "?lme":

> lmeCtlList <-

```+ lmeControl(maxIter=2,
+            msMaxIter=3, tolerance=1e-4, niter=4,
+ msTol=1e-5, nlmStepMax=5,
+  ,msVerbose=TRUE
+  ,returnObject=TRUE
+ )

>
>      fm1. <- lme(distance ~ age, data = Orthodont,

+                  control=lmeCtlList) # random is ~ age
0      318.310: -0.202572 0.0501133  2.17193
1      318.297: -0.202071 0.0662548  2.16740
2      318.286: -0.207284 0.0593805  2.15302
3      318.257: -0.215916 0.0783916  2.12677
3      318.257: -0.215916 0.0783916  2.12677
```
Error in lme.formula(distance ~ age, data = Orthodont, control = lmeCtlList) :

iteration limit reached without convergence (9)
> fm1.

Linear mixed-effects model fit by REML

Data: Orthodont
Log-restricted-likelihood: -221.3183
Fixed: distance ~ age
(Intercept) age
16.7611111 0.6601852

Random effects:
Formula: ~age | Subject
Structure: General positive-definite

StdDev Corr

```(Intercept) 2.3270360 (Intr)
age         0.2264279 -0.609
Residual    1.3100396

```

Number of Observations: 108
Number of Groups: 27
>

```	  Hope this helps.
Spencer Graves
```

p.s. First thanks for this example. I didn't know until I read your question that one could actually get lme to return something when it didn't converge. Second, you might have gotten a quicker reply if you had included a simple, self-contained example, as suggested in the posting guide! "www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html". Instead, since I didn't know the answer, I had to invent one. If your example had been self contained, you might have gotten an earlier reply from someone who didn't have the time or inclination to invent an example like I did but who might have otherwise been able to solve the problem.

Thomas Wutzler wrote:

```> Dear R-help list readers,
>
> I am fitting mixed models with the lme function of the nlme package.
> If I get convergence depends on how the method (ML/REM) and which (and
> how much) parameters will depend randomly on the cluster-variable.
>
> How get the bist fit without convergence?
>
>
>
>
> I set the parameters msVerbose and returnObject to TRUE:
>
> lmeControl(maxIter=50000, msMaxIter=200, tolerance=1e-4, niter=50,
> msTol=1e-5, nlmStepMax=500,
> 	,msVerbose=TRUE
> 	,returnObject=TRUE
> )
>
> However, the lme-functions does not produce verbose output, nor does it
> return the best fit if lme is not converging.
> It returns only an error:
> Error in lme.formula(y ~ lndbh + I(lndbh^2) + lnh + I(lnh^2), random =
> ~lndbh +  :
>          iteration limit reached without convergence (9)
>
>
>
> Best regards
> Thomas
>
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